tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-980010523927297374.post3804515234811883376..comments2023-11-02T03:56:06.817-04:00Comments on FeinsteinOnTheBrink: Looking at Bill Hancock’s claims in his 'State of the BCS Address'Johnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10418812412651310398noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-980010523927297374.post-80749193195389924982010-01-12T15:00:26.176-05:002010-01-12T15:00:26.176-05:00John,
I think you are on the right track in propo...John,<br /><br />I think you are on the right track in proposing to hold a playoff at the bowl games, but the bowls (and particularly the Rose Bowl) would not want to move too far away from New Year's Day (not to mention their attachment to the Pac-10 and Big Ten).<br /><br />Also, going to an 8-team playoff would be a step backwards for mid-major teams, since we currently allow ten teams into the BCS.<br /><br />A better system would be a ten-team playoff that preserves the New Year's Day Bowls. This could work by simply adding two "play-in" games before the eight-team playoff that you propose.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.theplayoffsolution.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.theplayoffsolution.com</a>DjTjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01142376427700713748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-980010523927297374.post-28566263886335014852010-01-12T14:15:03.062-05:002010-01-12T14:15:03.062-05:00Joe Po asks a few questions in regard to a potenti...Joe Po asks a few questions in regard to a potential playoff system:<br /><br />http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2010/01/07/playoff-dump-zone/#more-2986Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-980010523927297374.post-46108519348554910542010-01-11T09:59:18.101-05:002010-01-11T09:59:18.101-05:00I guess my question is - what's to keep the Fi...I guess my question is - what's to keep the Fiesta from moving its game to September once the current BCS contract runs out? Could the BCS bowls not reposition their games as a series of marquee matchups to start the season? I think the other, smaller bowls would then follow. You could keep the whole festival atmosphere which surrounds these games, just make it a "start of the season" celebration, rather than a "new year's" tradition. The fact that fans have the Monday off for Labor Day is key, they can then travel and fill up the stadiums for an exciting kickoff to the season. Then, rotate the BCS championship game as they do now for the end the year, essentially the College Super Bowl after an 8 team playoff held at the sites of the higher seeded teams. I think it works beautifully, and everyone is happy. Right?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00122577225181639463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-980010523927297374.post-38265684992861655942010-01-11T09:30:57.296-05:002010-01-11T09:30:57.296-05:00Khesser - its a good idea, but the Atlanta Sports ...Khesser - its a good idea, but the Atlanta Sports Commission and the Chick-fil-a Bowl beat you to it....they now start the season off with a weekend non-conference marquee matchup in Atlanta. Its set up much like a bowl is. Jerry Jones caught on is trying to establish Dallas as an opening weekend. I'm sure others aren't far behind.<br /><br />When they are backed by corporate entities that will pay big bucks, schools will take the payday. And its pay that doesn't have to be shared with their other conference members.Timnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-980010523927297374.post-64213206597118476212010-01-11T08:53:39.130-05:002010-01-11T08:53:39.130-05:00John,
I had a thought this weekend.... why not m...John, <br /><br />I had a thought this weekend.... why not move the bowl games to Labor Day weekend, the BEGINNING of the season?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00122577225181639463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-980010523927297374.post-5362253847875494842010-01-10T11:19:52.451-05:002010-01-10T11:19:52.451-05:00One way to accomodate both a playoff and the curre...One way to accomodate both a playoff and the current bowl system would be to have an 8 team playoff with the games being played at the sites of the present bowls. Those cities and stadiums would still have an event and even more attention would be paid to it. Beyond the 8 teams in the playoffs, the bowl system could continue more or less as is.Roberthttp://www.robertabelllaw.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-980010523927297374.post-64197563422781950492010-01-09T15:41:52.420-05:002010-01-09T15:41:52.420-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anthony Warrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10968694730416013487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-980010523927297374.post-63155514127046886262010-01-08T23:43:57.668-05:002010-01-08T23:43:57.668-05:00so you think they'll drop from 12 games to 11 ...so you think they'll drop from 12 games to 11 and eliminate the conference title games to keep it at 14 total games for the champion and runnerup?<br /><br />John, I love the blog, but that's NEVER gonna happen.cd1515https://www.blogger.com/profile/13442641020639066876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-980010523927297374.post-61418836996770278222010-01-08T19:06:33.718-05:002010-01-08T19:06:33.718-05:00Keep fighting the good fight. I can't believe ...Keep fighting the good fight. I can't believe the incompetence in journalism today. It's a joke.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-980010523927297374.post-27348980692341814692010-01-08T17:43:18.411-05:002010-01-08T17:43:18.411-05:00Answer to anon...Craig James and Steve Phillips ar...Answer to anon...Craig James and Steve Phillips are guilty of the same crime. Phillips did it to the<br />ESPN Production Assistant and James did it to Leach. SammyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-980010523927297374.post-89176510944386266382010-01-08T16:14:54.174-05:002010-01-08T16:14:54.174-05:00Regarding Craig James: what's more scandalous,...Regarding Craig James: what's more scandalous, Steve Phillips and the intern or James' voting?<br /><br />Rich in DenverAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-980010523927297374.post-30399460255143540742010-01-08T16:14:03.471-05:002010-01-08T16:14:03.471-05:00Certainly John’s playoff scenario holds much merit...Certainly John’s playoff scenario holds much merit. However, a tournament that doesn’t include all conference champions would be illegitimate. The playoff should consist of eleven teams played over four rounds. There would be no wildcard or at-large teams. This would place an unbelievably high premium on the conference regular season. Some other benefits would emerge by this selection process. High-ranking teams that fail to win their conferences would be available for the lesser bowls. We might actually see top teams schedule each other more often in non-conference games and we might even see BCS teams schedule games against top teams from the other conferences.<br /><br />It would work like this: the 11 conference champions would be seeded; either by committee ala basketball or by the current BCS method. Doesn’t much matter. The top five teams would automatically make it to the quarterfinals. Teams 6-11 would match up at campus locations of the higher seeds. For example this year we would have seen #11 Troy play at #6 Oregon; #10 CMU play at #7 Ohio St; #9 ECU play at #8 Georgia Tech.<br /><br />I would play these games immediately after the regular season has ended. This year that would have meant December 12. The quarterfinal games would have been held on December 19 at campus locations of the higher seeds. And I would have held the semi-finals at neutral sites on December 26. The national championship game would have been scheduled for Saturday January 2. I would rotate the national championship game between lots of different places, not just Pasadena, Tempe, Miami and New Orleans. Why not include Minneapolis-St Paul, Detroit, Dallas, Seattle or any other city than can manage to stage the game?<br /><br />Jan 1 would be reserved for the traditional Jan 1 games: Rose, Fiesta, Orange, Sugar and Cotton. This allows these bowls to preserve their heritage. If a couple of the other secondary bowls want to play on that day then that’s fine, too. <br /><br />Now, by only including conference champions in the playoff, we would still be able to have some attractive matchups in the major bowls. We might have seen Iowa vs. Oregon St in the Rose (we know the Rose would want to match Big Ten/Pac Ten as often as possible). How about Florida vs. Pittsburgh in the Sugar? Miami vs. Virginia Tech in the Orange? Penn St vs LSU in the Fiesta? These would have all been fairly attractive matchups.<br /><br />Scheduling this way would allow for several things that I think are positive. One, there wouldn’t be a long layoff between the end of the regular season and the start of the playoffs. Under John’s scenario we would have about three to five weeks off depending on the team. I understand that some participants would have to work around finals, but academic integrity isn’t really an issue here, is it? Two, the sacred cow known as the bowl system would be preserved and 30 or so teams would get to end their seasons feeling good about themselves. They could even have a team party at Dairy Queen afterwards. Three, most importantly we’d get a champion determined 100% on the field. Polls and voters with conflicts of interest would be irrelevant.<br />Rich in DenverAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-980010523927297374.post-49994852314335863712010-01-08T15:22:53.776-05:002010-01-08T15:22:53.776-05:00Craig James should be removed from ESPN. He becam...Craig James should be removed from ESPN. He became part of a story.<br /><br />Do I know he can be objective? Did I even know he had a son at TT before the incident…no. He should not be allowed to cover the sport or vote in the poll. Where was he ranking TT throughout the season?Shaun E in PChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13351053352998677712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-980010523927297374.post-24649232335850569472010-01-08T15:04:59.615-05:002010-01-08T15:04:59.615-05:00Good point, anon. I did not think about the senio...Good point, anon. I did not think about the senior angle. I also did not think about how rabid college fan bases really are, much more so than in the NFL. If a coach tried that he would probably be lynched.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03572148982033990206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-980010523927297374.post-11569927698286147422010-01-08T14:54:39.112-05:002010-01-08T14:54:39.112-05:00Didn't Bill Hancock all but admit yesterday th...Didn't Bill Hancock all but admit yesterday that they are willing to discuss with Jerry Jones a situation where Dallas and his stadium (presumably under the Cotton Bowl name) becomes part of the system. That would mean another 2 teams in the BCS, or kicking someone out.<br /><br />The BCS, who essentially holds all the votes...is it the 6 power conferences, but when voting changes do the less powerful 6 conferences have ANY say? I think the BCS is going to, at some point, flex their muscle up against the 4 BCS bowls as well. Maybe Jerry Jones' millions will be the time they do it.Thomasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-980010523927297374.post-36877673197442715052010-01-08T14:39:41.211-05:002010-01-08T14:39:41.211-05:00If this were to fly, you would have to continue th...If this were to fly, you would have to continue the rotation of the Championship Game among the four current venues. I can't see Sugar, Orange and Fiesta agreeing to it otherwise. If you built in a competition for the remaining three venues, based on that venue's ability to attract fans you might also get some support from the existing bowl system. By this I mean Cotton might get replaced by Holiday if fan support wanes. Thus the ugly jacket guys for the XYZ Bowl could still dream of one day making it into the rotation.Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02864831325194815711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-980010523927297374.post-33974372201497983082010-01-08T14:34:51.852-05:002010-01-08T14:34:51.852-05:00I think the end of the season rivalry games will s...I think the end of the season rivalry games will stay just as they are. The beauty of college football is that they matter, neighbor vs. neighbor, fundraiser vs. fundraiser. In the argument that the regular season 'matters' more in college football and would be diminished with a playoff is, well, total crapola.<br /><br />In all honesty, outside of maybe, what, 5-8 teams over the last couple of weeks teams are just playing for pride anyways. UNC vs NC State didn't matter anything when it came to the BCS yet they still played hard. In the eyes of the BCS leaders, on the thought that a playoff diminishes those types of games, you'd hvae though teams just quit when the lose their first (non blue-bloods) or second (blue-bloods) games. Clemson vs. S Carolina mattered nothing to Clemson the week before the ACC CG, but they showed up as fired up as ever.<br /><br />Quite frankly, I don't see college coaches pulling the same mess that the Colts did because the dynamics are so different, kids are seniors, playing the final games of their careers, and will want to play. If coaches really and truly started throwing games, to prepare for the playoffs, then the alumni should just stop donating. And Presidents should start reminding their coaches that they are educators first and foremost.<br /><br />Yep, I'm out on a limb on the educators comment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-980010523927297374.post-5370146742787505542010-01-08T14:27:27.763-05:002010-01-08T14:27:27.763-05:00John I think you are correct on this but I do have...John I think you are correct on this but I do have one concern. What about end of the season "rivalry" games? What is Ohio State has the playoffs clinched; are they going to rest their starters (a la Indianapolis) against Michigan? I am not saying it is an enormous concern but I'd like to hear your thoughts on it.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03572148982033990206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-980010523927297374.post-67129793867200940452010-01-08T14:05:28.943-05:002010-01-08T14:05:28.943-05:00Your description of the playoff schedule is just r...Your description of the playoff schedule is just right. For the teams, let's say the champions of the traditional major conferences (Big 10, Big 12, SEC, Pac 10, ACC, Big East) get bids, That's six. (These automatic bids can be adjusted over time, based on conferences' success in the tournament, so if the Mountain West consistently wins games and the Big East consistently gets wiped out, the spot may change.) <br /><br />Then a committee picks 2 at large teams using a system similar to the basketball tournament, announced on a nationally broadcast show after the last conference championship game.<br /><br />yes, there will be controversy and some "bubble" schools who go to lesser bowls. Such is life. Someone is always going to be the first team left out.Dana Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01350344882342624735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-980010523927297374.post-42068266768842538652010-01-08T13:41:11.202-05:002010-01-08T13:41:11.202-05:00If the objective is to have 7 meaningful games rat...If the objective is to have 7 meaningful games rather than 1, then your playoff solution is great. However, I still think that there are going to be a lot of arguments.<br />Who would the 8 teams have been this year? Certainly the five undefeated teams, and I don't think that anybody would argue against Florida for the 6th spot. But after that, who? You'd have to select two 2-loss teams, and leave other 2-loss teams out. <br />I think a good argument could be made that none of the 2-loss teams deserves to be playing for the national championship this year. The counterargument would be "no problem, they'll lose their first game". <br />But what if one of the 2-loss teams actually won? The everybody would be whining that maybe one of the left-out 2-loss teams could have won.<br />The fact is that it is going to be a rare year when the number of deserving teams is going to be 2,4, or 8, so you're always going to end up with an argument.<br />But with a 8-team playoff, you'll definitely have 7 very meaningful games.Geoffnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-980010523927297374.post-31270564500772131082010-01-08T12:58:09.700-05:002010-01-08T12:58:09.700-05:00I favor the scenario that you have proposed, with ...I favor the scenario that you have proposed, with a slight adjustment. Sugar, Cotton, Gator, and Holiday(San Diego weather). They feed to the Fiesta and Orange semifinal/final four round. Those winners feed to the Rose Bowl. It screws up some traditionally strong bowls, but has a regional consideration for travel. With this schedule they should go to an 11 game schedule. Also, no Division II opponents period. <br /><br />Some day, I really would like to be one of the ugly jacket guys. Great label.Gunnarnoreply@blogger.com